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Title: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on January 23, 2009, 07:54:56 AM
Is there any thought for porting to these two OS's?  Currently it is slim pickings for Linux and I would love to have a quality cad program to run under it.  I don't run OSx, but I saw that there is a TC for mac so this might be a no-brainer. 
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Royal on January 23, 2009, 08:08:21 AM
Lots of thinking.  I'm an old Mac guy (my old product, WriteNow for Macintosh, was voted one of the, "Top 10 Most Insanely Great Apps for the Mac" on Mac's 20th anniversary)... so I ask this question gingerly:  Do Mac folks want a Mac CAD app?  Or is the big market -- those running AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT -- content running under boot camp?
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on January 23, 2009, 10:03:07 AM
My vote is for Linux ;D  Mac hardware is to $$
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: xenophon on February 05, 2009, 01:30:33 PM
i vote Linux too
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: linea on February 07, 2009, 04:06:46 AM
I vote linux too. There is a demand for architectural cad programs for linux. There are only two; Cycas and Octree, neither is very robust.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2009, 09:14:32 AM
Lots of thinking.  I'm an old Mac guy (my old product, WriteNow for Macintosh, was voted one of the, "Top 10 Most Insanely Great Apps for the Mac" on Mac's 20th anniversary)... so I ask this question gingerly:  Do Mac folks want a Mac CAD app?  Or is the big market -- those running AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT -- content running under boot camp?
Isn't there already a A/CAD (now DoubleCAD) dwg viewer for mac?
http://www.imsidesign.com/Company/InTheNews/January152008PressRelease/tabid/653/ItemId/1853/Default.aspx (http://www.imsidesign.com/Company/InTheNews/January152008PressRelease/tabid/653/ItemId/1853/Default.aspx)
How much more work is it to complete the functionality to bring it inline with XT or XT Pro?
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Royal on February 09, 2009, 11:15:45 AM
That's not an answer to my question. <smile> 

But by your question to my question, can I assume you want a dedicated Mac app... and not something running in boot camp?

P.S.  A lot of work.  That's why I asked the original question... just seems like most Mac users are content using AutoCAD under boot camp... even though this is counter to all the Mac folks I know... so the question is why do all that work when there may be a solution (boot camp) working to everyone's satisfaction?
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
I personally don't care, I'm not a mac user, nor do I plan to be anytime in the future.  I just figured the ground work has been laid... <shrug>

I still prefer Linux, and the price tag really fits into the linux user's ideals  :)
On the other hand I think you could get some paying costomers wanting to upgrade to Pro once they figured out XT.
The current Linux selection is slim.  The choices are not very good and/or expensive and not really a competitor to AutCAD LT.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Royal on February 09, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
Agree with your thinking.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2009, 04:07:11 PM
BTW- I wouldn't make this a priority, but rather a back-burner, as-you-have-time sort of project, especially since the market share is pretty darn slim compared to Windows.

However, with the current state of the econemy OSS (Linux) might make up some ground.  Who Knows...

On the other hand, I almost got it running with wine on Ubuntu, so if you went that route most of the work might already be done and it might simply be a matter of tweaking some .dlls and such to get it operational using wine, which IMO would be completely excetpable.  After all that is pretty much what google is doing with it's apps (google earth, picasa).  Rumor has it they are working on porting Sketchup among others to Linux. 
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: LemoyneArchitect on February 10, 2009, 01:16:36 PM
Given IMSI's support of the Mac with TurboCAD and TurboSketch, I was really hoping to find that DoubleCAD was available for the Mac as well.

I know a number of people that immediately went out and bought Windows and installed it on their Intel Mac so that they could finally run AutoCAD.  And then had all the typical Windows problems...

Right now I'm doing my preliminary design in SketchUp on my Mac, along with multi-media, Adobe CS and web stuff, and then when it comes time to do the construction documents I grudgingly fire up the PC and AutoCAD.  If DoubleCAD was available for the Mac I'd buy it in a heartbeat - and then transition the other people on PCs with AutoCAD over to it so that we'd all be on the same platform.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on February 10, 2009, 01:50:10 PM
Thanks Lemoyne...

One of our big concerns is that the TurboCAD Mac and TurboCAD PC products are completely different code bases.  Because of that, DoubleCAD is a closely related cousin to TurboCAD PC, but a distant relative to the Mac version.  A port will be a very big project.

That said, the Mac market might be comparatively small for Autodesk because they are such a big company, but to us it might be a big enough market to be worth the effort.

Since TurboSketch days we have learned a lot more about Mac development too, and I think it shows with IDX Renditioner for the Mac (TurboSketch's replacement product).

Thanks again,
William
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: psycho-mullet on February 11, 2009, 04:07:33 PM
Do Mac folks want a Mac CAD app?  Or is the big market -- those running AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT -- content running under boot camp?

Yes they do!

My first question when I saw DoubleCAD was: Is it available for Mac?

There are a number of offices (I used to work for one) who prefer mac's and will not use autocad simply because they don't want to run windows or boot camp (or feed the evil autodesk). The switch for many offices is a no brainer. There are a number of offices as well who prefer mac's but have switched to PC's simply because it doesn't make sense to buy into mac's and run bootcamp, if they could run this app in a native mac OS they would switch back. And there are pragmatics like myself who have stayed away from mac's because all the software I need for work is PC only, but if it were available on a mac, I'd buy one. Being Mac compatible would also give you a leg up over Autodesk.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on February 11, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
Thanks.  Well reasoned... you're not as psycho as you think...  ;D

-- William
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: LemoyneArchitect on February 12, 2009, 10:54:19 AM
Just to expand a bit, I think that DoubleCAD could tap a large Mac market in those that have the need to be dwg compatible but do not want the expense of adding both Windows and AutoCAD as well as the troubles of a dual-boot machine just to run AutoCAD on a Mac.  Then the issue is that you have to switch back and forth from using AutoCAD and all of the programs on the Mac side instead of seamlessly using one operating system.  I think that the combination of an alternative to AutoCAD and an alternative in being able to use a Mac may influence a lot of people.

Here in our office, even though we are working on PCs due largely to having to run AutoCAD in order to be compatible both with consultants as well as client needs (a number of recent government projects have required AutoCAD files specifically), we have lately been discussing downgrading to AutoCAD LT due to both the expense of the full version for a small office as well as the fact that we just are not using anywhere close to the full capabilities of the full version.

But looking at the comparison chart between LT and DoubleCAD, even at the same price the "extra" features offered by DoubleCAD would easily sway us in that direction.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on February 12, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
Cool, thanks!

I think there are quite a few of us that would love to do a Mac version.  It's very interesting to hear about different firms views of the market and the reasons for the decisions they've taken for PC vs. Mac.  We appreciate the insight!

William
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: fcosta.lisboa on March 07, 2009, 11:49:50 AM
Hi,

I have no doubt that a quality CAD for Linux would be interesting, as it is the next generation OS (SOHO and server).  Keep this in mind IMSI...

BR, f

Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bigkahuna on March 17, 2009, 01:18:16 AM
I joined this forum just to add my vote to add a Mac version of this application.  I'm a designer and there is a real shortage of 2D and 3D CAD apps for the Mac.  I would think having a Mac might also help you gain entry into the academic market (as many schools still use a lot of Macs).
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on March 17, 2009, 06:09:48 AM
Cool.  Thanks.  We've got another vote for Linux and another vote for Mac...  It's always in discussion here.  They when and how questions are still being investigated too.

Bigkahuna, I hope you stick around, you're welcome here for more than your vote.  It's always great to have a real mix of users providing input and feedback!  Thanks

-- William
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: afecelis on March 18, 2009, 04:13:43 AM
Wmanning, count me in for Linux!  ;)
That would be a dream come true.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Chrysophylax on March 30, 2009, 05:12:20 AM
Hi! I'm new to Doublecad, I come from a long time autocad experience, and I'm trying to switch to linux.
I realize that a complete linux port is way too hard to be real, but perhaps the way is not too narrow. I don't think that make the DC run under wine would be too hard: bricscad, a member of the intellicad consortium, is now selling a linux version that is nothing less than a windows ver customized to match wine API.

Maybe it wouldn't take too long. And it would open a huge market  still waiting for a cad messiah.   ;)   
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: makr on March 30, 2009, 05:44:33 AM
Yes. But the last I saw, the Linux version was at least 1 or 2 versions behind the Windows one. (Sorry to be a wet blanket  ;))
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on March 30, 2009, 08:07:30 AM
Actually, I almost had DCxt almost running under WINE in Linux (a few things didn't work right, which made it unusable).  A few of the API's need to be tweaked or something, which is beyond me.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Doug on April 01, 2009, 10:28:21 AM
Hi Nick,

So how did you almost get DoubleCAD XT working under WINE and what problems did you encounter?  I'm not that familiar with Linux, so I'm not sure if you tried running it under a shell etc. so more info would be appreciated.

Thanks!


Actually, I almost had DCxt almost running under WINE in Linux (a few things didn't work right, which made it unusable).  A few of the API's need to be tweaked or something, which is beyond me.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on April 01, 2009, 02:56:21 PM
I'll have to try it again and see if I can get some screenshots for you.  I'll give you more specifics when I get home (no Linux at work).

BTW - This is what Google did with Picasa and probably other apps as well.  It's rumored that they are currently working on a Linux version of Sketchup and I wouldn't be suprised if they used WINE to do it.

Here's some reading until I can provide more specific info. http://www.winehq.org (http://www.winehq.org)
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: makr on April 01, 2009, 07:23:01 PM
Not really related to the last posts but
It seems that DC runs in OS X under VMWare Fusion, with no major problems: http://www.blender3darchitect.com/2009/02/doublecad-xt-free-alternative-to-autocad/ (http://www.blender3darchitect.com/2009/02/doublecad-xt-free-alternative-to-autocad/). I  use XT Pro, and don't know anyone who uses the Mac, so can't really test it.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on April 01, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
Mauritz uses it on the Mac too.  I think he's using VMWare Fusion, or maybe Parallels.  The VMWare team also noticed the post you spotted and mentioned it in their blog:  http://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2009/02/doublecad-on-mac-with-vmware-fusion.html

Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on April 02, 2009, 07:00:28 AM
The problem with VMware or any other "virtual-machine"/dual-boot is that it still requires a copy of Windows and that much more disc space/resources.  WINE runs directly in the native OS and translates (I'm not sure that is the correct term) so no other OS is needed and it runs at pretty much full speed.

Doug - Here's the scoop on WINE (1.0.1)/ubuntu (8.10):
Install goes flawlessly.  Absolutely no problems.  The problem occur when I actually try to run DC.  I was able to enter the activation code (that prompt came up fine) than the DC program starts.  After that I get nothing.  Nothing is functional.  See two screenshots.

I am going to try it with the newest build of wine and see what happens.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on April 02, 2009, 09:47:18 AM
OK, wine 1.0.18 gives me a little more, but it is still not functional.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Doug on April 02, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
Hi Nick,

Thanks for taking the time to post this info and test DC XT on Wine/Linux.  Thats great information and it will give us a head start for testing on that platform.  Again, we really appreciate it and I'll let you know our results and hopefully soution when we dig deeper into this.

Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on April 02, 2009, 10:03:24 PM
I'm not sure if you noticed, but there is WINE for mac as well and there is a commercial (not free) version of wine called CROSSOVER that is a little more user friendly, but I have had worse luck in some cases with that, but on the other hand Office 2003/2007 works fine with it.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: chappel on April 07, 2009, 06:16:58 AM
I registered here just to add a vote for linux support.  I've never heard of 'doublecad', but now I know about it just because you are CONSIDERING porting it.  I've been looking for a good CAD on linux solution for YEARS.  I'm really anticipating google's sketchup for linux, and like the idea that you guys dove-tail into it.

Note that I'd gladly pay for a linux version, and if warranted, enthusiastically recommend it to others.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on April 07, 2009, 07:12:47 AM
Cool.  Welcome to the forum and thanks for the input!
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: makr on April 15, 2009, 05:07:30 AM
Just to stir things up  ;D : Autocad for Mac:
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2009/04/mac-fanbois-get-their-wish-autocad.html (http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2009/04/mac-fanbois-get-their-wish-autocad.html)
http://myfeedback.autodesk.com/surveynet/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=l21M672 (http://myfeedback.autodesk.com/surveynet/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=l21M672)
http://www.autocadformac.com (http://www.autocadformac.com)
I don't use the Mac myself, so can't comment on this.
Don't get too excited though.

[Edit: From what I gather, this is more like AC LT - with some restrictions - than Autocad. Now why anybody would want to use a crippled form of an already crippled SW - when they can use a much better Turbocad -  is more than I can guess. Unless AC LT has improved drastically from v2006, which I was "privileged" to try.
Still, there it is for curiousity's sake  ;) ]
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: LemoyneArchitect on April 15, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
Just to update on the discussion, I also received the survey from AutoCAD about porting AutoCAD LT to the Mac.  Apparently there is enough interest that they are paying attention.

In my own situation, I've gone from wishing there was an option to actively wanting an option.  If DC were available for the Mac, I'd be purchasing it today - seriously.  As it is, I'm evaluating TurboCAD but experiencing some difficulties with the dwg files I am experimenting with and cannot say that I can consider it at this point.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: makr on April 15, 2009, 10:24:10 AM
Have you tried the latest Turbocad (v 16) ? I feel that - since TC & DC probably use the same import engine (from ODA??) - there shouldn't be much of a problem there, too. The only real problem I faced with DWG files, in DC,  was with linetype import. Of course, I haven't tried any really complicated/large files on it, yet.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on April 15, 2009, 02:49:14 PM
Hi LemoyneArchitect,

If you are having problems with files we would love to know more about it.  If you can send them to us, great -- we'll have our developers look at correcting any issues that we can.  If not, if you can explain the types of problems then we'll do what we can to help.

-- William
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: LemoyneArchitect on April 15, 2009, 03:50:49 PM
Have you tried the latest Turbocad (v 16) ?

TCv16 is PC only.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: LemoyneArchitect on April 15, 2009, 03:52:53 PM
And this article here illustrates why I really don't want to be running Windows on my Mac - sort of defeats the purpose.

http://www.macworld.com/article/140025/2009/04/fusionbug.html (http://www.macworld.com/article/140025/2009/04/fusionbug.html)
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: pirolocito on May 12, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
I've contacted you before regarding to Turbocad version for linux. - I already know the answer.

Being a Mechanical engineer, i'm looking for a decent CAD software compatible with dwg for years. It is the only reason i still got 6 production computer with Windows. The only software that i cant port to linux is really our cad package. Currently we use Bricscad in windows. But our needs are just what Doublecad is.

We are an HVAC contractor and almost all projects are from the client. So we just have do do small changes to drawings to as-built drawings and to draw some details.

We dont mind to pay for a CAD software, but if we could use a robust operating system like linux that doesnt get major changes every 4 years (xp-vista for example) and mamking hardware obsolete.

So what are you waiting for porting to LINUX?

I vote for LINUX.

Ricardo Perry
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: iwanwidjaja on May 27, 2009, 07:05:33 AM
I vote for linux version too =)
Will we know the developer decision about this things soon? sorry if i sound too rush, just too excited to know that [hopefully] soon linux user will have a robust cad application run natively without wine =D
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on May 27, 2009, 12:41:08 PM
Hi to all,
I would like to also ask that double cad be ported to linux (ubuntu). I have used design cad 3d max with ubuntu 8.04, with the help of WINE. It was not perfect but better than most other offerings for linux. I ran design cad 3d max until i upgraded to ubuntu 9.04, with that also came a newer version of wine and since the up grade no more 3dmax. I tried to install double cad with ubuntu 9.04, all went very well but when i try to run the program all i get is a beep sound anywhere that i click the mouse. I will try to down grade the version of WINE to see if that works better and let you know. in the meantime i will experiment with double cad under windows to see the look and feel.

thank you
bill

I down graded WINE to version 1.1.18  from 1.1.21 this was as low as i could go for ubuntu 9.04. and it not work so i tried to upgrade to WINE version 1.1.22, same result would not work. I did try WINE 1.0.0 from ubuntu 8.10 that was worse, the program did not even try to load.
Hope this information is useful to some one.

Bill
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: IrishMJ on June 04, 2009, 06:44:18 PM
Morning all...

I just registered so I could throw some weight behind the Linux camp.

My reasoning is quite simple, I have a netbook running Ubuntu and would really like to get some sort of cad package on it to use out on site.

I tried Progecad Smart 2008 to see if it would work under Wine and it did, but there are problems with the registration and so it stops working after 30 days.

Would getting DC XT to work with Wine be an easier exercise than making a proper Linux version?

Thanks,
MJ

Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bgois on June 04, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
First of all, i want to congratulate IMSI/Design for developing such a great piece of software. DoubleCAD is incredible.

Like others, I register just to ask for a Linux Version. I know lots of people (Engineers and architects), that doesn't switch to Linux due to miss a great CAD software. I believe that DoubleCAD has everythink to be a huge sucess on Linux community. What seens to be impossible, now is reality.

Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bgois on June 04, 2009, 07:29:56 PM
Hi to all,
I would like to also ask that double cad be ported to linux (ubuntu). I have used design cad 3d max with ubuntu 8.04, with the help of WINE. It was not perfect but better than most other offerings for linux. I ran design cad 3d max until i upgraded to ubuntu 9.04, with that also came a newer version of wine and since the up grade no more 3dmax. I tried to install double cad with ubuntu 9.04, all went very well but when i try to run the program all i get is a beep sound anywhere that i click the mouse. I will try to down grade the version of WINE to see if that works better and let you know. in the meantime i will experiment with double cad under windows to see the look and feel.

thank you
bill

I down graded WINE to version 1.1.18  from 1.1.21 this was as low as i could go for ubuntu 9.04. and it not work so i tried to upgrade to WINE version 1.1.22, same result would not work. I did try WINE 1.0.0 from ubuntu 8.10 that was worse, the program did not even try to load.
Hope this information is useful to some one.

Bill

billspiker i try to run DoubleCAD on Ubuntu 9.04 / Wine 1.1.22 , and the same problem here. The software freezes on the initial screen.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: metsfans on June 13, 2009, 03:04:20 PM
Hi to all,
I am have been using double cad for windows. I like it I would also like to know if will be making a Linux version??? Go Mets!! Tracy
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: mick on July 01, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
No luck with wine here either. However, I've just been running DCAD beautifully using a virtual XP machine on VirtualBox. Cheating perhaps, but at least I can use my linux box!
:-)
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: agruhl on July 16, 2009, 01:58:17 AM
Everybody who is working with CAD is looking forward to any software that can read and write DWG files and has at least LT functionality in Linux. The market is especially interesting right now because Distros like Mandriva, Linux Mint, Ubuntu and the future Google System make it very attractive for anybody to switch to Linux. Applications like OpenOffice, Gimp (although still some work needs to be done here), VLC, MythTV, Songbird make a fully functional system out of Linux PCs, whether you use it for private or commercial purposes.
Currently what's holding back a lot of architects, engineers and even designers is the lack of a real working CAD system.
So go for it! You might be first!
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: aiminnj on August 04, 2009, 05:01:25 PM
hello every body!!  I am new to this but I am very encourage with the follow member (agruhl)
of this program.  I cant find any way and or any reason to disagree and agrue.  I look forward what more devoples.  I also say go for it and you will never know what will happen??
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: mzsade on August 07, 2009, 08:57:15 PM
Hi, please add my voice to the request for a linux version, having to run it on virtual box sort of goes against the grain... ;D
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: IRENKA on September 25, 2009, 02:23:16 AM
I also want a Linux version!
But in the meanwhile, I tried to install it under wine (in Ubuntu 9.04), and I had the same trouble as others: the tool bar doesn't work.
Has someone found any solution?
Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bmscmoreira on September 30, 2009, 01:05:38 PM
I'd really like to have an osx version of xt/xt pro. The market for 2d drafting in osx is still waiting for something with this quality. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: tommygam on November 09, 2009, 12:23:36 AM
Me too fro Linux!!!!!! I'm waiting for a Linux version of DC... it could be really great!
I'd like a wine compatible version, but the best surely will be a native linux software. The DREAM a .deb or .rpm file!

Good job!
Tommaso
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: knoefz on November 20, 2009, 12:36:30 AM
Here's another vote for a Linux port of DoubleCAD XT.

I recently started my own architects office and try to run on Free Linux (Kubuntu 64bit) software completely. The most important thing holding me back atm is a decent AutoCAD lookalike. QCAD just isn't in the same league... I've just discovered DoubleCAD and I'm very enthousiastic. Unforunately not on Linux, not even with Wine windows emulator.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: take5 on November 30, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Registered to vote for a Mac version. I agree with the previous posts: vmware, parallels, boot-camp all demand I buy, install and run a copy windows - which kinda misses the point. So yes, a proper native app is what I'd buy in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: lrlw on January 08, 2010, 11:24:42 PM
OSX version is also why I registered.... just to vote for one.

There's no reason to switch from AutoCAD if it's not for a native Mac version. There's every reason to support the first CAD company that serves the Mac community with a decent drafting interface.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Asmodeus on January 13, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
Hi everybody.

To run dCAD XT on wine and avoid crash at startup, you need to go to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/IMSIDesign/DoubleCAD XT/Program and delete or rename TCTips.exe.

There are still some problems with opening templates, and application crashes from time to time, display is bit garbage, but it works.

Good luck
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on January 15, 2010, 04:12:26 PM
hi asmodeus
i tried your work around i got further than i had before but still not good enough for me to be usable. what i would like to know is how you figured out your work around, i would have never figured out to delete that file. thanks for the tip.   

bill spiker
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: MM on January 16, 2010, 06:30:34 AM
Thanks, than doublecad looks beter but still not functional at all. It's still can't run on wine and be compare even with qCad couse theres a lot of crashes and no functionality (unles 5 minutes and one crash for one operation is ok). Indeed I like doublecad XT, but it just don't run on linux even with wine and emulated reactOS too :( . maybe it's code just can not be easy compiled for linux and of some reason (I suppose programing style) it's not running on wine even with one renamed .exe
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Asmodeus on January 19, 2010, 07:51:47 AM
Actualy, that's all what I have done.
I deleted this file after checking in sysguard what wine instances are runing, when program was crashing/hanging. TCTips.exe displays tips at startup so that was obvious that if program hangs at tips stage I need to rule this step out.

As  i posted before, there is still problem with opening templates (program brings errors about openinf file), display refres is garbage, and I can't save any file - program crashes.

See ya
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: TomF on January 29, 2010, 02:29:16 PM
My vote is for Linux ;D  Mac hardware is to $$

Mac hardware costs $$$? Another Mac myth!

A Mac Mini, which essentially is a Macbook in a miniscule box, (without a screen- so you can choose not to have a glossy screen), will set you back about $599. If you buy a Mac Mini from an educational outlet- say a college or university, you will get a further discount + three years worth of Applecare, just incase your computer goes wrong. Applecare is a lot more fun than PC world, believe me! Mac Mini's support two monitors, and they are FAST! You can also run Windows 7, um...ahem...Linux, and Mac OS X- all under one roof (I've even got MS-DOS running, in Mac OS X, under 'Boxer'!). I was about to buy a Gigabyte motherboard with the duo core processor (similar speed spec), and all the other bits and bobs- including a high grade PSU (and don't forget the OS!), but in the end, didn't, because it worked out to be cheaper (and a lot more hassle free), just to buy a Mac Mini.

So there you go. Myth. ;)

Okay, apologies for the rant, as you've probably guessed, I'm here to vote for DoubleCAD on Mac... and yes... Linux too, because it is better to beat this ACAD machine with all guns blazing!!

But, if you are going to consider doing a OS X port, please do write the application in native Apple Cocoa, because poor quality ports look and behave really awful. Please also, don't be tempted (like Siemens for eg have, with NX), to use X11 (which is also present in the Mac system). Look at SketchUp and Rhino (and HighDesign ;) ) for Mac- all are Cocoa based. Both work really nicely.

cheers!

TomF



 
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: jcaintn on February 26, 2010, 09:38:27 AM
My vote is for a Mac version.  We use Archicad so it can run native on the mac, but it's still not giving us everything we'd like.  Put me on the list for beta testing if you decide to pursue the Mac version!

John Abernathy, AIA, LEED AP
Partner
DA|AD
www.daad-group.com
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: drcmaint on February 28, 2010, 01:38:33 AM
Hi,

I guess I'll jump in on this.

I too would like to see a Mac version, both XT & XT Pro. At the moment I'm using XT, on the back side of my iMac with XP Pro, but having downloaded the XT Pro, I'm liking what I'm seeing.

It would be a good bet to go with Intel Macs, core 2 duo or better, with Leopard or higher, 10.5.x.
Snow Leopard might better, as it would allow 64 bit, that's 10.6.x.

Thanks

John
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: cwarner7_11 on April 21, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
Another vote here for a Linux port.  If we had a list of the required Windows native *.dll's required to run under Windows, it would be easier to figure out how to get the program to run under Wine.  This would, as others have pointed out, be the quickest road to a Linux version...
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: ibnulhifz on May 24, 2010, 08:58:19 AM
i would always vote for linux
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on May 28, 2010, 09:54:07 AM
hi to all
I hope everyone filled out the survey request and told double cad that we need a linux and/or mac version.

When will we get the results of the survey forms?

thank you
bill
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bmscmoreira on June 04, 2010, 01:16:23 AM
OSX OSX OSX. Autodesk's Autocad is making the move... If DoubleCad osx comes first, it will be a great advantage over the competition!
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on July 20, 2010, 03:48:25 AM
Hi to all

I sent an email to this address CustomerSupport@imsidesign.com asking if there was any Linux version in the works for any of the IMSI cad programs. I actually got a response, therefor I suggest anyone interested in a Linux/Mac version email them and ask. Someone does read and respond. Maybe with enough emails they may see how profitable the market could be.

Bill
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on July 20, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
I hope you recognize that we absolutely read everything here too!  Thanks for the feedback and enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: roly on July 20, 2010, 12:52:38 PM
Greetings

There is no doubt that the Mac and Linux markets are both growing. I imagine that if DoubleCAD could run on these platforms then DoubleCAD would be effortlessly be amongst the top CAD contenders amongst MAC and Linux users.

I feel that Mac users would more willingly part with money. There are some very clear an indisputable reasons why an increasingly large percentage of power users choose Mac.  I say indisputable because that market is growing even though macs are quite expensive comparatively :)  as Unix Admin, who manages a network of 300 Windows PC's for the school where I work however at home where I have four children who use Apple Macs and I seldom get called by my family to deal with issues on the Mac. 

So back to the topic:  To the developers of DoubleCAD: I suggest that as a distant cousin to TurboCad and other products which do run on Mac. - Don't stray too far way from Mac and Linux worlds with your code base, because if you are successful getting DoubleCAD running on Apple Mac then it's a fairly trivial task to continue that journey over to Linux and you might capture a very wide audience since you have an outstanding product.

Another observation: Steam, the popular games engine http://store.steampowered.com/ have taken quite seriously the Apple and Linux market and now there are now an amazing number of Game titles flowing over into the Mac world with the Linux version of steam due for release in 2011.  - this removed the argument that games did not run on Apple!

Many open source products run on Mac Linux and Windows for example Audacity, VLC's VLPlayer, Mozilla Firefox, Evernote, Dreamweaver, FileZilla,  Skype, - and thats just some of the stuff on my Mac.

Microsoft and Google have both taken seriously the Mac and Linux markets,  Microsoft have demonstrated this in the form of Litigation and Legal wrangling while Google continued to developed great software for example Google SketchUP and Picassa. - Although Microsoft do have a array of products which run on mac now.  Too little too late in there case, but in yours there's still time :)

I suppose what I am saying is that it would be great if I could use DoubleCAD on my Mac and Linux computers

Best wishes
Roland




Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Nick on July 20, 2010, 09:01:31 PM
I think the easiest road to this would be to work with the WINE team and get it WINE/Crossover certified.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Rob S on July 20, 2010, 09:04:32 PM
See also this thread - they are doing it now on Macs  http://forums.doublecad.com/index.php?topic=1548.0
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on July 23, 2010, 06:17:38 PM
Hi  wmanning
 I did not mean to offend you or your team, I had a 2 fold purpose for my post. The posts were, to me getting stale, and I wanted to stir things up. I think it worked because there are new posts with encouraging information. The other reason was to ask IMSI directly hoping enough requests might have them offer double cad or another product to the Linux community.
Thank You again

Bill
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: wmanning on July 27, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
Bill, no offense was taken or inferred!  I just wanted to point out that everything in this forum is read by quite a few people at IMSI right up to the top.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Ju-doubleCad on September 15, 2010, 03:35:04 AM
Hi everyone,
First of all, congratulation for this great soft!
Is there any news about a native version of DoubleCad for Mac OS or Linux?

Thanks to all,
Julien.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: FRAKTAL DESIGN on September 28, 2010, 01:48:32 AM
A strong VOTE for porting to Linux - this would be a great Breakthrough for many architects and designers
- I myself am still sticking with Windows only because of DoubleCAD - so hopefully I will be able to totally switch to linux and continue using DoubleCAD - which I 'm a great fan of
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: bmscmoreira on October 22, 2010, 05:21:40 AM
Autocad is now back on the OSX, and it's already a hype out there... hope Doublecad comes second, prior to all those intellicad's out there! :)
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: billspiker on November 24, 2010, 06:44:02 PM
hi to all

the mac version of autocad is out  http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=15421056&siteID=123112

billspiker
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: pmbsa on December 16, 2010, 04:31:22 AM
Hi, just to add another vote to the Linux/mac port idea. I know I could convince a good few more people to let go of there windows fetish if I could provide them with a viable CAD package on linux. Really good to see a project like this. (I do agree that possibly the simplest option, if there is such a thing, is to become 'WINE complient' though)

thanks
Paul
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: FRAKTAL DESIGN on January 27, 2011, 04:36:02 AM
May I suggest the developers to contact with the WINE crew before the next release of DoubleCAD
- perhaps the way to running DC under wine is not a big deal (well then perhaps not) but I believe it's
worth the effort to at least try and investigate on the subject :)

keep my fingers crossed for DC (the only app that keeps me bound to Windows)

Double CAD for LINUX that's what WE WANTS my presiousss :) !!!
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Michael_1138 on February 08, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
May I suggest the developers to contact with the WINE crew before the next release of DoubleCAD
- perhaps the way to running DC under wine is not a big deal (well then perhaps not) but I believe it's
worth the effort to at least try and investigate on the subject :)

keep my fingers crossed for DC (the only app that keeps me bound to Windows)

Double CAD for LINUX that's what WE WANTS my presiousss :) !!!

From 1995 to 2001 I worked with a company that was the first one to offer a fullfledged 3D CAD system for LINUX. A very small company, and LINUX then was even more of a niche market than it is today.

The main problem that I was always confronted with was that, aside from (even still today to a good extent) not having standard software like Adobe products or Corel programs, scanline renderers that needed to be fed with text code, people were already used to working with Windows (then 95).

So, architect colleagues (we are talking about professionals here that need to make a living and are prepared to pay for the tools that ensure their income) don´t want to invest into a complete change of platforms, i.e. from Windows to something completely new.

So, it would not only mean having to learn a new software, but also having to change from the OS most people know to something similar, but still new.

Then you have to think about the motivation for working with LINUX. Is it stability? Usability? Or maybe something else?

I personally have made my peace with Windows. After spending countless hours only maintaining my LINUX OS ( and I was very resilient when it came to OSes, like trying to install IBM OS/2 with 20 3,5inch disks about 20 times because it always stopped at disc 18) I came to the conclusion that it was time for a change. With Windows XP being the first MS OS that was majorly stable and reliable, I was still dualbooting between Linux and Windows. But when my software took a dive and it became too costly to maintain, I had to make a decision. And I decided to completely go back to Windows, since the CAD software was the ONLY reason I was using Linux. With two dozen necessary programs under windows and only one software under Linux, it was a natural decision.

So, in conclusion, I don´t think that it makes sense for a development house to invest into the development of a dedicated LINUX version. WINE support: yes, dedicated, no.
I think the same goes for MAC, since the market is already so filled up with a lot of software that it hardly would make sense to open up another development branch.

Maybe someday we will see something like a real unified code, but I guess that day is still a few years away, unfortunately.

Sorry for the rant ;)

Michael
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: dobermannxxl on March 01, 2011, 09:03:15 AM
i wish there was a linux version, but if it would work through Wine it will be alright, but it does need to work without errors and crashes.
i tried on Wine 1.3.8 i believe on Ubuntu 10.10 and i could not make Dcad to start.
So i'm stuck with Windows :(
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: knoefz on October 15, 2011, 11:02:39 PM
I want to keep the Linux request thread alive here. :D
It would rock so hard if doubleCAD XT was available for Linux users.
But of coarse you already knew that ;)
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: Steve The Kiwi on October 16, 2011, 12:55:03 PM
Linux would be good. I am an old hand with Windows and have Ubantu 10.10 and would like to try it there, but it has been tried. if it could be run using Wine, that would be good.

Some valid comments made here and perhaps someone with IMSISoft may read this and get thinking as there are plenty out there using Linux and there would I am sure be a market in that direction.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: davidrwright on October 20, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
has any one got it running say on a win 2 k virtual machine under linux 11 ? ? in the short term it may allow us wndoz users to migrate to a new operating system and still have a competing program to the Windoze exploder program Autocad.

Just A thought.

DW
Title: DISAPPEARING DRAWINGS
Post by: jsimmonsd on October 23, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
I CALLED DBLCADXT AND ASKED THEM TO SEND ME A NEW DOWNLOAD LINK TO MY EMAIL WHICH THEY DID.  i CLEARED THE OLD AND IN MY OPINION THE "BUGGED COPY" OUT OF MY PROGRAMS AND REINSTALLED THE NEW LINK.  SO FAR NO PROBLEMS AND I JUST COMPLETED SEVEN NICE DRAWINGS.
 CALL DBLCAD DIRECT AND ASK FOR A LINK TO DOWNLOAD. 


DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DRAW A PARALELOGRAM AS A SINGLE ENTITY SO YOU CAN ADD HATCH TO IT?
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: thebrian on October 31, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
Draw as seperate segments - then use the Join Polyline tool, of draw as a polyline and use Close for the final leg.
Title: Re: Linux/mac?
Post by: toolmanx1 on April 13, 2017, 03:50:20 AM
I’m trying to load DoubleCAD on to a Linux machine using Wine. I’m running Ubuntu Serena. According to “Wine —version”  I’m running Wine 2.4  although I loaded amd64 version 1.6.8.  I also loaded both i386 and Wine-Stable. I successfully got setup to load up the DCAD. Wine doublecadxt starts the program. I had problems with it at first erroring out on missing Gecko but I got that fixed. My problem now is the DCAD stops in the middle of the  start up. The error is caused by a dll called “Security_NoProtection.dll”. It jumps to a bad EIP and throws an exception at 0x02B231CD. Since this is a free version of DCAD it is hard for me to see why the people that wrote DCAD put this into the file but it’s there. Now I have to figure out how to jump around it. During setup I used the same SN that I used on my Windows machine. It worked perfectly in Windows. In Linux it accepted it and completed the initial installation. However it never called the request for a key input. I have the key but can’t get it into the DCAD.

DCAD checks somewhere, probably in the registry, to see if the program is active. If the program is active DCAD calls a “Repair or Modify” window instead of the Key request window when setup is run. I’d have an easy fix if I could stop DCAD temporarily from thinking there is a DCAD already installed until I can get the key in. I probably caused this “looking active” since I copied all registry items from my Windows to my Linux. I tried an uninstall but that rarely ever cleans all items up.

By inserting a “jump to” I got to the Tips window but it dies after the tip timer runs out.
I think that the Security.dll is called more than once. If that’s so, I’ll have to jump it at least twice. Any ideas?